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02/08/2012 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY


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01:33:14 PM Presentation: Alaska Children's Justice Task Force
02:25:59 PM Adjourn
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- Jan Rutherdale, Attorney
- Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson
- Thom Janidlo, Attorney
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
      SENATE HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                    
                        February 8, 2012                                                                                        
                           1:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Hollis French, Chair                                                                                                   
 Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                          
 Senator Joe Paskvan                                                                                                            
 Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                          
 Senator John Coghill                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATE HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Bettye Davis, Chair                                                                                                    
 Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                            
 Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                           
 Senator Kevin Meyer                                                                                                            
 Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION: ALASKA CHILDREN'S JUSTICE ACT TASK FORCE                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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JAN RUTHERDALE, Senior Assistant Attorney General                                                                               
Civil Division                                                                                                                  
Child Protection Section (CPS)                                                                                                  
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Presented   information   on  the   Alaska                                                             
Children's Justice Act Task Force.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. KATHLEEN BALDWIN-JOHNSON, Trust Program Officer                                                                             
Alaska Mental Health Trust (AMHT)                                                                                               
Department of Revenue and                                                                                                       
Medical Director                                                                                                                
Alaska Cares, Anchorage and The Children's Place, Wasilla                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Presented   information   on  the   Alaska                                                             
Children's Justice Act Task Force.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
THOM F. JANIDLO, Attorney at Law and Vice-Chair                                                                                 
Children's Justice Act Task Force                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Presented   information   on  the   Alaska                                                             
Children's Justice Act Task Force.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:32:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLIS  FRENCH called  the  joint  meeting of  the  Senate                                                             
Judiciary  Standing Committee  and the  Senate Health  and Social                                                               
Services Standing Committee to order  at 1:32 p.m. Present at the                                                               
call to  order were  Senator Dyson and  Chair Davis  and Senators                                                               
Wielechowski,  McGuire,  and   Chair  French.  Senators  Paskvan,                                                               
Coghill, Egan, Ellis and Meyer arrived shortly thereafter.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation: Alaska Children's Justice Task Force                                                                             
     Presentation: Alaska Children's Justice Act Task Force                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:33:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  FRENCH   announced  that   the  committee  would   hear  a                                                               
presentation  on the  Alaska Children's  Justice  Act (CJA)  Task                                                               
Force. He welcomed the presenters.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JAN   RUTHERDALE,  Senior   Assistant  Attorney   General,  Civil                                                               
Division,  Child Protection  Section  (CPS),  Department of  Law,                                                               
said she was  appearing today as Chair of  the Children's Justice                                                               
Act Task Force. She introduced the other presenters.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  welcomed Senators  Meyer, Egan  and Coghill  to the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:34:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. RUTHERDALE stated that the CJA  is a federal program that has                                                               
been in  existence for  10 years  in all  50 states.  It provides                                                               
grants  to   states,  based  on   population,  to   combat  child                                                               
maltreatment  through   a  multidisciplinary   approach.  Because                                                               
Alaska has  a relatively small  population, the task  force works                                                               
with a small  pool of money to  focus in the areas  that are most                                                               
in  need  at the  moment.  It  relies  on volunteer  members  and                                                               
collaborates with other groups working on similar issues.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She displayed the  mission statement of the task  force, which is                                                               
to:                                                                                                                             
     Identify  areas  where  improvement is  needed  in  the                                                                    
     statewide response to  child maltreatment, particularly                                                                    
     child  sexual  abuse,  make  recommendations  and  take                                                                    
     actions to improve the system.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
This  broad mandate  allows  the task  force  to select  projects                                                               
based  on a  "who's not  covering what"  approach. This  year the                                                               
particular focus is criminal law.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERDALE listed the task  force projects. One is to develop                                                               
and  distribute  better  data.   Another  is  to  improve  system                                                               
response,  and  the third  is  to  make recommendations  for  law                                                               
changes. She elaborated on the  difficulty of meshing data due to                                                               
varying systems  used by  agencies. She noted  the task  force is                                                               
grateful  for collaboration  with  the Department  of Health  and                                                               
Social Services  (DHSS), Maternal  and Child  Health Epidemiology                                                               
Unit  on  a  Surveillance  of  Child  Abuse  and  Neglect  (SCAN)                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  asked if the task  force had worked with  Mr. Rosay                                                               
from the University of Alaska Anchorage Justice Center.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RUTHERDALE replied  the UAA  Justice Center  is a  very good                                                               
resource and  task force worked with  Mr. Rosay in the  past, but                                                               
more recently had worked most closely with the SCAN unit.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH recognized that Senator Ellis joined the committee.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RUTHERDAY  elaborated  on  improving  system  response.  She                                                               
talked  about  supporting  the   development  of  Child  Advocacy                                                               
Centers   (CACs)   and   Multidisciplinary  Teams   (MDTs),   and                                                               
highlighted that  Alaska has 10  regional CACs and  two satellite                                                               
centers. The Legislature has provided  funding the last two years                                                               
since federal  funding stopped. Related  to CACs, the  task force                                                               
has helped  develop two publications.  One is the  Guidelines for                                                               
the Multidisciplinary  Response that helps explain  the different                                                               
roles in the  initial response to investigations.  Another is the                                                               
standardized  medical documentation  forms that  are used  in the                                                               
physical exams at the CACs.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:41:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  RUTHERDALE  discussed  innovative programs  the  task  force                                                               
supports. The Pathway to Hope is  a program that was developed by                                                               
Alaska  Natives to  heal the  intergenerational trauma  of sexual                                                               
abuse.  It's a  training curriculum  that is  used in  Alaska and                                                               
also  presented nationally  and internationally.  The task  force                                                               
provides  funds to  publish the  curriculum.  The other  programs                                                               
specifically  deal  with  the sexual  exploitation  of  children,                                                               
particularly on  the Internet.  To this end,  the task  force has                                                               
worked  with the  Internet Crimes  Against Children  unit of  law                                                               
enforcement  and  NetSmartz,  which  was also  developed  by  law                                                               
enforcement.  They also  provided  staff to  help with  in-school                                                               
education programs  to let  children and  parents know  about the                                                               
potential for becoming a victim.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She mentioned  ways to improve system  response through education                                                               
and  training.  The  task force  developed  and  distributes  the                                                               
mandatory  reporter  training  CD,  and  encourages  professional                                                               
development   by   offering   scholarships  for   trainings   and                                                               
collaborating with the Alaska Children's  Alliance to sponsor the                                                               
biennial   Alaska    Child   Maltreatment    Conference.   Annual                                                               
legislative  presentations are  another education  component. She                                                               
listed  presentations to  the Children's  Caucus and  legislative                                                               
committees  and   highlighted  that  recent   presentations  have                                                               
focused on  gaps in the  criminal laws regarding  maltreatment of                                                               
children. This past  year the task force took  an additional step                                                               
to develop legislation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PASKVAN joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:46:11 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  KATHLEEN  BALDWIN-JOHNSON,  Trust  Program  Officer,  Alaska                                                               
Mental  Health Trust  (AMHT), Department  of Revenue,  said she's                                                               
also the medical director for  Children's Place and Alaska Cares,                                                               
the  child  advocacy  centers  in   Wasilla  and  Anchorage.  She                                                               
provided  2008  data  about  maltreatment-related  child  deaths.                                                               
About one  of every  five Alaskan  child deaths  was a  result of                                                               
maltreatment.  The  numbers are  even  higher  for Alaska  Native                                                               
children at  one out  of four.  Nearly three  of every  four were                                                               
infant deaths.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked the source of the data.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BALDWIN-JOHNSON explained  that  the numbers  came from  the                                                               
Maternal Child Health Epidemiology  Unit within the Department of                                                               
Health and Social Services (DHSS),  but they are a compilation of                                                               
reports  from the  maternal infant  mortality review  team, child                                                               
protection,  law enforcement,  hospital discharge  data, and  the                                                               
court system.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She discussed the types of  maltreatment - physical abuse, sexual                                                               
abuse and  neglect. In 2008  12,400 Alaskan children  were likely                                                               
victims of  at least one  incident of maltreatment,  as evidenced                                                               
by  either a  police report  or medical  diagnosis. Of  those, 24                                                               
percent  had at  least  one incident  confirmed  by a  successful                                                               
prosecution  or  substantiation  by   the  Office  of  Children's                                                               
Services (OCS). She stressed that  these statistics represent the                                                               
tip  of  the iceberg.  Valid  research  shows that  outcomes  for                                                               
children whose abuse  is not substantiated are  similar for those                                                               
children for  whom their abuse is  substantiated. This translates                                                               
to about 34 children a day who were likely maltreated.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Neglect is the  most common type of maltreatment.  In 2008, 8,900                                                               
Alaskan children were likely victims  of at least one incident of                                                               
neglect.  About 25  percent of  those had  at least  one incident                                                               
confirmed,  usually by  OCS  substantiation.  That translates  to                                                               
about 25 children a day who were maltreated due to neglect.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:51:08 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  BALDWIN-JOHNSON said  that in  2008, 2,700  Alaskan children                                                               
were likely victims  of at least one incident  of physical abuse.                                                               
About 22  percent of those  had at least one  incident confirmed,                                                               
which  translates  to  about  seven   children  a  day  who  were                                                               
maltreated due to physical abuse.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
In 2008, about  1,900 Alaskan children were likely  victims of at                                                               
least one  incident of  sexual abuse. About  16 percent  of those                                                               
had   at   least  one   incident   confirmed.   This  number   is                                                               
substantially lower  than other  types of  confirmed maltreatment                                                               
because  sexual abuse  is very  hard to  confirm. Oftentimes  the                                                               
children are  very young,  they typically  have normal  exams and                                                               
there is often  no corroborating evidence. This  translates to as                                                               
many as  five Alaskan children a  day who were likely  victims of                                                               
sexual abuse.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked  what type of behaviors are  included in these                                                               
statistics.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. BALDWIN-JOHNSON replied these  cases usually involve personal                                                               
contact.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
DR. BALWIN-JOHNSON  related the  costs for treatment  of children                                                               
who are maltreated,  and the adults they become.  There are costs                                                               
to  long and  short-term medical  and mental  health care,  child                                                               
protection  system and  the juvenile  and adult  criminal justice                                                               
systems.  It  affects  future  earnings   and  quality  of  life,                                                               
something that is difficult to quantify monetarily.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She  discussed results  of the  Centers for  Disease Control  and                                                               
Prevention  (CDC)  Adverse  Childhood Experiences  (ACE)  [Study]                                                               
that  was  done  in  collaboration   with  Kaiser  Permanente  in                                                               
California.  The findings  suggest a  clear link  between adverse                                                               
childhood experiences  and all  the most  common causes  of adult                                                               
disease and  death. The  first article  written about  this study                                                               
was appropriately titled "Turning Gold into Lead."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BALWIN-JOHNSON displayed  a  graph of  actual and  estimated                                                               
rising  health care  costs in  the  U.S. from  FY1996 to  FY2016.                                                               
Child maltreatment  contributes to  these costs. A  recent online                                                               
publication titled "The Economic  Burden of Child Maltreatment in                                                               
the  United States"  looked at  the cost  of fatal  and non-fatal                                                               
child  abuse  over  the  potential lifetime  of  that  child.  It                                                               
estimated the  average medical  cost for  a child  who dies  as a                                                               
result  of maltreatment  to be  $14,000. Productivity  losses for                                                               
that child were estimated to be nearly $1.3 million.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
About  10  infants die  every  year  in  Alaska  as a  result  of                                                               
maltreatment.  The annual  economic  cost to  Alaskans for  this,                                                               
based on medical  costs and productivity losses,  is estimated to                                                               
be nearly $13  million. This number would likely  double if older                                                               
children were included.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The   national   average   lifetime  cost   of   nonfatal   child                                                               
maltreatment  is about  $210,000  per child.  The Alaska  numbers                                                               
(based on  3,000 to 12,400  cases - substantiated cases  of abuse                                                               
and suspected cases  of abuse) show an  estimated annual economic                                                               
cost of  child maltreatment to  be between $625 million  and $2.6                                                               
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:58:13 PM                                                                                                                    
THOM  F.  JANIDLO, Attorney  at  Law  and Vice-Chair,  Children's                                                               
Justice Act  Task Force,  reported that over  the past  year, the                                                               
task  force reviewed  child abuse  statutes in  Alaska and  other                                                               
states and  found that Alaska  laws had shortcomings  that affect                                                               
children  and  the  perpetrators.  The  task  force  subsequently                                                               
worked  on  proposals to  raise  the  bar of  accountability  for                                                               
perpetrators   and  provide   greater  protection   for  Alaska's                                                               
children. It has four recommendations.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The first  recommendation is  to modify  the assault  statutes to                                                               
create broader  criminal liability for assaults  on children. The                                                               
problem is that  for a felony prosecution to  go forward, current                                                               
statute requires a serious physical  injury or multiple events or                                                               
an  event for  which a  reasonable caregiver  would seek  medical                                                               
attention.  He reviewed  the  statutory  definition for  "serious                                                               
physical  injury" and  informed  the committee  that  abuse of  a                                                               
child doesn't always  rise to that standard. A  solution would be                                                               
to add a new definition in  statute for "serious bodily injury to                                                               
a child."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:02:50 PM                                                                                                                    
DR. BALDWIN-JOHNSON  displayed pictures  of physical  injuries to                                                               
children by  caretakers that did  not meet the  current statutory                                                               
definition for  "serious physical  injury." These were  photos of                                                               
young children that had been burned, strangled and beaten.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH stressed  the extreme  seriousness and  violence of                                                               
strangulation. It is very high on the lethality index.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. BALDWIN-JOHNSON  described the  damage done to  children that                                                               
does not meet current standards of physical injury.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JANIDLO presented  a new definition of  serious bodily injury                                                               
to a child:                                                                                                                     
     Serious bodily  injury to the  child" includes,  but is                                                                    
     not  limited  to,  second-  or  third-degree  burns,  a                                                                    
     fracture  of  any  bone,   a  concussion,  subdural  or                                                                    
     subarachnoid  bleeding,  retinal  hemorrhage,  cerebral                                                                    
     edema, brain contusion,  strangulation, injuries to the                                                                    
     skin that involve severe bruising  or the likelihood of                                                                    
     permanent or protracted  disfigurement, including those                                                                    
     sustained by  striking children with objects,  or other                                                                    
     physical  injury that  results in  significant physical                                                                    
     injury to the child.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH asked  if  the task  force  discussed the  proposed                                                               
language with the Department of Law.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JANIDLO replied there has been an ongoing dialog.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said  he looks forward to hearing  the Department of                                                               
Law's reaction to these proposals.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JANIDLO  said  the  suggestion  is  to  apply  the  proposed                                                               
definition to  children under age  12, and to children  under age                                                               
16 who  are mentally or  physically impaired. The  definition and                                                               
applicability  should  be  added  to  all  three  felony  assault                                                               
statutes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He also mentioned a  post-conviction recommendation. To recognize                                                               
the  mental  harm  resulting  from   physical  injury,  create  a                                                               
sentencing aggravator  if the  serious bodily  injury to  a child                                                               
resulted in significant mental injury to the child.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JANIDLO  said the  second  recommendation  is to  strengthen                                                               
statutes regarding exposure of children to drugs.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:08:43 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  BALDWIN-JOHNSON presented  information about  the difficulty                                                               
of prosecuting a  person who has exposed a child  to drugs to the                                                               
extent that the child tests  positive for that drug. For example,                                                               
infants have  tested positive for  cocaine because  their parents                                                               
smoke  crack  cocaine  in  their  presence.  In  other  instances                                                               
children  have almost  died from  overdosing on  drugs that  were                                                               
left sitting out and available.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked if these cases occur with regularity.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. BALDWIN-JOHNSON replied yes, and it's a statewide issue.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RUTHERDALE added  that  in child  abuse  and neglect  cases,                                                               
children are  often tested for  exposure to drugs.  She clarified                                                               
that  the suggestion  is  not  to prosecute  every  case, but  to                                                               
establish tools to do so.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:11:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JANIDLO said  a solution  to this  problem is  to amend  the                                                               
endangering the welfare  of a minor statute  to penalize reckless                                                               
exposure  of  a child  to  controlled  substances. The  penalties                                                               
would vary depending on how dangerous the drug is.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. BALDWIN-JOHNSON  added that it's also  difficult to prosecute                                                               
for indirect exposure  to dangerous chemicals used  in drug labs,                                                               
such  as methamphetamine  labs. Mr.  Janidlo said  here too,  the                                                               
solution  is  to  penalize  reckless   exposure  of  a  child  to                                                               
chemicals used in meth labs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JANIDLO said  the third  recommendation is  to increase  the                                                               
penalties when a parent intentionally  withholds adequate food or                                                               
liquids.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. BALDWIN-JOHNSON highlighted that there  have been a number of                                                               
cases  where children  were intentionally  starved,  either as  a                                                               
punishment  or  a  means  of  control.  Although  some  of  these                                                               
children nearly died, the current penalty is a misdemeanor.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JANIDLO  said  the  solution   is  to  modify  the  criminal                                                               
nonsupport statute  to create a  class C  felony for a  parent or                                                               
guardian  who intentionally  fails to  provide adequate  food and                                                               
[liquids] to a child. The  standard for that determination should                                                               
be that  a reasonable  person would conclude  that the  child was                                                               
not receiving adequate food or liquids.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:13:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  FRENCH commented  that  here  too, he  would  rely on  the                                                               
Department of Law to determine the scope of the problem.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JANIDLO  said  the  fourth recommendation  is  to  create  a                                                               
criminal  law   that  prohibits   an  incarcerated   person  from                                                               
contacting a victim  or witness. The problem is  that the current                                                               
statutes do not fully protect  a child victim from influences and                                                               
pressure prior to trial and sentencing. He gave examples.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The  solution is  to add  new  theories to  the unlawful  contact                                                               
statute.  Penalize  a  person  who  is  jailed  before  trial  or                                                               
sentencing for contacting  a victim or witness of  the offense in                                                               
violation  of  a no-contact  order,  and  penalize a  person  who                                                               
assists the defendant in engaging in such contact.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  acknowledged that as  he reviewed the  statute just                                                               
now, it  was unclear as  to what  conditions pertain to  a person                                                               
who has  not been  released. He continued  that he  didn't recall                                                               
which statute deals with violating a no contact order from jail.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JANIDLO  responded it's  usually  in  the domestic  violence                                                               
statutes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. BALDWIN-JOHNSON  added that often  the remedy is  contempt of                                                               
court,  and  it's  frequently  not   exercised.  However,  it  is                                                               
important to  discourage the behavior  because the  contact could                                                               
result in the victim recanting.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  offered assurance  that he'd  review this  with DOL                                                               
and fix anything that's missing.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:17:29 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  BALDWIN-JOHNSON  summarized  that  legislative  changes  are                                                               
necessary to enhance the safety of Alaskan children.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JANIDLO  added that  the solution is  to pass  legislation to                                                               
make  people  more  accountable,  and  find  more  champions  for                                                               
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:18:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL spoke of the  difficulty of working between civil                                                               
and criminal law,  and asked the task force's  perspective on how                                                               
the two interact.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BALDWIN-JOHNSON recalled  times in  her practice  when civil                                                               
and  criminal   cases  went  along  simultaneously.   It  can  be                                                               
beneficial when,  for example, there  is communication  between a                                                               
parent's probation officer and a child's social worker.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  mentioned the importance of  CACs, and expressed                                                               
concern about the potential for  social workers to thwart or bias                                                               
investigations.  He  then  highlighted  the  differences  between                                                               
Title 47 and Title 11.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERDALE related  that social workers sometimes  have to be                                                               
reminded  that  they  aren't  in law  enforcement.  She  gave  an                                                               
example.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JANIDLO  observed  that  there  was a  need  for  more  CACs                                                               
statewide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH thanked the presenters.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:25:59 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further business  to come before  the committees,                                                               
Chair French adjourned the meeting at 2:25                                                                                      

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CJA proposed legisation 12-6-11.doc SJUD 2/8/2012 1:30:00 PM
Children's Justice Act Task Force proposed legislation
CJA statement regarding proposed legislation 11-18-11.doc SJUD 2/8/2012 1:30:00 PM
Children's Justice Act Task Force Statement